Speaker 0 | 00:08.761
All right, welcome everyone back to Dissecting Popular IT Nerds. Today we have Rich. I hope I don’t butcher your last name.
Speaker 1 | 00:16.167
It’s all right.
Speaker 0 | 00:16.847
Marchetti, okay. And what was really cool is we were talking about choking people out unconsciously before we got on the call here and who we can’t name by name, but it’s… The reason why that’s so important, and of course, we weren’t talking about people that by name that we choked out just like in general for fun, because this is what we do for fun. You know, there’s a whole, a whole entire group of, uh, it directors out there and we need to get more people involved. We need to get more people involved in this and choking people out, uh, regularly for fun because that’s called Brazilian jujitsu. It’s either that, or it’s back in the day before when it was kind of frowned upon and it was looked upon as such a like violent sport. I remember in high school. When I took Kenpo karate, which of course we all know is a complete joke. So anyone out there taking karate, you’re welcome to come on the show anytime and I will make fun of you for taking karate. Okay. No, every, but there’s okay. There was a couple guys that, you know, who was anyways in high school, you say like, yeah, but Brazilian did you to know that’s a, that’s bone destruction.
Speaker 1 | 01:19.255
That’s dangerous.
Speaker 0 | 01:20.235
You’re not allowed to take that.
Speaker 1 | 01:22.857
They’ll even be kind of just like not comfortable with it. You know, or people who wrestled. you know good good with jujitsu but it’s also kind of an ego thing all you’re rolling around with sweaty men all day it’s like yeah i’m saying that my boss my old bosses used to make me so you’re gonna go roll around with a bunch of sweaty men tonight yeah yeah i love it too it’s it’s fun i mean anybody who hasn’t done it needs to at least like try it for a couple classes go with the if you know someone i’m sure everyone knows someone who’s doing it go with them you know we have um we
Speaker 0 | 01:55.412
I have a famous, I tell a lot of people get comfortable being uncomfortable because that’s like when you grow, right? Like it’s like the old, um, I don’t know, maybe Arnold Schwarzenegger said, you know, the last two reps are the ones that matter or something like that. Why does this apply to it? It applies to it because at this moment I’m recovering from a really bad neck strain. I’m really stereotypical. I’m, I’m the guy that like I do jujitsu and surf. right so there’s like a certain stereotype of those type of people that’s me that’s absolutely me um so i’m recovering from this like neck strain so i’m like way overweight and i’ve got like probably really bad nerd neck which we call right now from sitting in front of a computer all day so why is that important why does this apply to jujitsu because a lot of us probably sit in front of a computer all day we we may there’s a huge percentage of people in our industry that have significant burnout and i can’t tell you how many guys i talked to they’re just like yeah i’m not in it anymore man i was just like i just got used i was like an indentured servant to my company no one cared about technology and i
Speaker 1 | 03:03.742
just like my life was like miserable and you know all hours of the day and no and it can be a burnout it really can um fortunately the organization i’m with currently they um they’re very appreciative of what what it does for them and they’re um honestly just great people and it’s very rare to find that great great people very rare now it is that’s okay they’re great people yeah and it’s just um but for for for sure especially as a younger guy coming into the into the space it was you know you were doing tech support you were doing um help desk tickets you know a desktop technician type role and that is burnout sydney You know, if you can’t get past that hump, then it’s going to, you’re going to have a bad time. And, you know, no one usually stays in that role forever. I mean, I’m sure there’s some, um, there’s some people out there who are still doing it. Uh, I hope getting paid more than they were when they started, but.
Speaker 0 | 04:03.385
I mean, maybe I just want to come home and play, you know, Dungeons and Dragons at the end of the day and send them the help. Right. I don’t know.
Speaker 1 | 04:09.189
Yeah. Or paint your, your, your, your 40 K figures. It just. I got into IT because my grandpa got us into IT. He worked for IBM labs and he was the research, the R&D division. And so we always had computers growing up. And I was the oldest of four. And it was just a really great way to, I mean, I just loved computers. And it wasn’t until probably junior year of high school, my aunt was like, well, why don’t you do this for money if you’re so good at it?
Speaker 0 | 04:38.188
Clearly, you’re much younger than me because we always had computers growing up. I had. a computer when the computer was like invented. That’s when we might have gotten a computer. I think back about it. Well,
Speaker 1 | 04:53.861
I was an early adopter. I was working on Windows 95.
Speaker 0 | 05:00.317
um and you know so but what you’re talking about is you know more so black and green i mean okay what’s your earliest memory no no i wasn’t i’m not that old i mean i was born in 1976 which my kids think of as like the dawn of electricity i mean i do i do remember the microwave like that was new you know not everyone had a microwave for a while and then i remember we got a microwave where like yeah we call this the space this was like the space microwave uh yeah and i remember you know the vcr being invented like you had to go to the movies which was cool like back in the day the movie theater was like a real thing like the only way you would watch a movie on tv is if they as if like maybe twice a year they’d show star wars right and you’d be like lined up like you know we didn’t have cable like i mean you had to like move the antenna i think we had six television stations you know right now tv guide yeah yeah exactly so make it work you know that was nodding which is interesting now it’s wild you know you’re like yeah i mean tv guide just that whole idea of like you know or the newspaper and my grandmother would look in the newspaper for the television lineup yeah or yeah or well or you would look in the newspaper for what was playing in the movies you know yep absolutely i’ll never forget begging the mother to take indiana jones too i begged my mother to like for like an hour to take me to see indiana jones too and she’s like it seems inappropriate oh i was like like you know you know and then they had the snake scene or the bug scene and all the things yeah like i was just like she took me she took me but um yeah
Speaker 1 | 06:44.762
no i mean i was i was i got into it relatively young i still remember dial up you know i still remember aol time you know it was uh it was a good time and i just kind of rolled with
Speaker 0 | 06:56.557
No internet in high school for me. No internet in high school. I remember I had a modem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A kid had a modem that was, what was it? Was it 24K or 56K? I can’t remember. What was the slower of the two modems?
Speaker 1 | 07:10.430
Well, I’m thinking of like, you have 14, you had 28.
Speaker 0 | 07:13.313
You had 28, 28. So 28. And he was like, this is like double the speed. Yeah. And then like, so. There was no phone lines. Like, you know, I went to boarding school. That’s why, you know. So we had, yeah, we just had computers, like a CD-ROM drive. Like, I remember when the Pentium came out. Like, that was, like, really cool.
Speaker 1 | 07:35.808
Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 0 | 07:37.029
we had to load Windows. You know, you had to type. Your last prompt came up. You had to type in, like, win.exe. You know, like, you had to load it.
Speaker 1 | 07:44.735
Into existence, right.
Speaker 0 | 07:46.201
I’d like to just pull up an emulator just to see how bad it was and what I dealt with back then. I can’t remember if we were even able to have, were you even able to have multiple windows open? I don’t even remember now. Auto-exec bat and moving, you know, moving memory around to like make, you know, Heroes Quest run.
Speaker 1 | 08:02.532
Well, and the precursor to a lot of the heartache and the problems we, I mean, like I remember as a kid, even though, you know, there’s always, I remember, you know, my grandpa would get me games. and joysticks to play games and you know every my computer couldn’t run a lot of stuff and he would upgrade it every time i ran one of those hurdles but there’s always going to be a there’s always that frustration buying ram buying ram cards and yeah flight simulators the flight simulator won’t run and you had to like fly it like a real plane you had to like actually learn how to fly a plane yeah it’s uh i mean i’m glad technology is is where it’s at i think i was still born a little too young it would have been nice to be born maybe now what maybe no way they miss out they miss out my kids don’t know what it will i mean it’s like that if you think about it it’s like pre-papyrus paper i was a history i was a history major funny story about that it’s like you know people don’t we were they were writing the romans were writing on wax tablets so it was like you know how much efficiency and how much discovery would have happened and that’s really where i come from when i think about it like that it’s like you know
Speaker 0 | 09:08.793
It’s a sign of the end of times is like print media, print media. No, just print media alone. Think about it.
Speaker 1 | 09:15.875
I mean, like when AI is, and so that’s where I kind of was leading to. It’s like, you know, 10 years, you know, when Tesla has their stuff figured out and, you know, AI is more, has more of a foundation to kind of progress from it. You know, AI will be the new equivalent to. GUI-based operating systems. Just the productivity level hops 3%, 4%, 5%, 6%, 700% to what you can do. And the way that the Pony expressed in the telegraph, the communication of information is almost instantaneous. So I feel like in 10 years, 15 years would be a good point because you’ll grow up in an era where… you can be kind of the most productive we’ve ever been i guess that’s true for all technology you know i’m sure everyone can say this since the beginning of time you know but that’s really where i think you know we i’d as a person i’d have more opportunities i want to travel space i’m a huge star wars fan and um it would just be so awesome to be able to you know uh create with all of the tools i feel like we have it’s like i don’t know if you’ve ever played rust it’s a pc game Um, but it’s, uh, you, you unlock your tool belt and you add your tools. Right. And, um, we have a few tools yet to unlock, and I think it would be a much funner time if we had everything ready for us, but that’s what I mean. You know, it’ll be, well,
Speaker 0 | 10:40.354
we shall, we shall see, um, unless it’s plugging us into the matrix somehow the, what about learning? So you see, you have an appreciation for knowledge if you’re a history major. So you, you wrote tons of papers. Yeah. you read you wrote papers you had teachers like butcher your stuff i mean i don’t know i remember my my favorite my best history teacher was um the very first class was like you will know how to use the difference between like these and these and i mean there and there and right you know what i mean he’s like and he whips out you know uh whatever the elements of style uh strong or right or whatever right is like you, this is a required book for the class. And like, if you do not use proper grammar, your grade automatically drops to B plus. You know, like you couldn’t, if you, if you screwed up grammar, like automatically A was not a possible. Correct. I was a history minor, English creative writing major. So that just, it says something about technology and I don’t know, majors that lead to jobs in technology because you’re just not going to get a job unless as a history major.
Speaker 1 | 11:45.121
Right. Well, I did. And so what I did was I was already, I started, I was in IT when I was 17. You know, I opted for, you could, in lieu of your last two periods of the day, you could get, you could do on the job training or whatever, get a job, you know, a lot of trades people did that. But I got an IT job when I was 17 and I was working at, I think I was 22 and I was working for Apple and I hadn’t really done much to go to school. You know, I was like, what am I going to do? Because I kind of just got flung into. the nitty-gritty of i.t and it’s very fast-paced role whatever you do and i was like well i kind of already in the industry and uh i kind of have a career path let me just do what i love so i did history and anthropology and um archaeology specifically because that’s really the material history is the cool part which makes sense i mean i like computers you know being on stuff all day so yeah no it’s fun and and especially with like stuff like ai and um it’s really gonna like i was i was speaking prior uh before the show for those people who might be confused um it’s gonna really change the uh the space the industry in the same way that i think lamplighters you know got lost a job uh to the flashlight or um how the the car the horseless carriage you know so it’s carriage drivers so i have like i have
Speaker 0 | 13:12.406
a bunch of PhD friends and I’ve got a data scientist PhD friend who’s like real doom and gloom about this. Of course, he works in a startup in like Silicon Valley as a data scientist and, you know, building different AI customer service platforms and, you know, whatever he’s working on right now. But he’s like, really thinks that this is like, this is like a very evil, dangerous thing. Like he’s very much doom and gloom. Like he’s very much glass. half empty about this it it could and he’s like he’s like they’re not gonna know he’s like it’s there’s going to be a large disinformation campaign or it’s going to be very easy to like you know you know with just like yeah disguising more just disguising people’s voices you know it’s we’re very close to cloning people as far as you know at least digitally we already know we can clone someone physically i’ve been if we’re harvesting i’ve got my you know you I won’t mention his name, but I’ve got another close friend that, you know, thinks like, well, he says like, it’s proven that we’re like harvesting people like, you know, underground miles underground. This is what he thinks.
Speaker 1 | 14:18.697
Well, I’m sure like deep state stuff, like they’re, they’re probably creating.
Speaker 0 | 14:25.160
Harvesting organs and stuff.
Speaker 1 | 14:26.941
Okay. Yeah, sure.
Speaker 0 | 14:28.181
You know what I mean? Like different things like that. And he, you know, he’s, you know, if you ask him what he’s like, you know what the biggest problem is right now? I’m like, I’m like, well, obviously it was a leading question. I don’t know. And he’s like, it’s child trafficking. I don’t think it is. It’s terrible. But I mean, he just takes it to another level because he’s got, I don’t know, Navy, Navy SEAL friends and stuff like that, that are busting secret rings and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 | 14:48.587
Yeah. Well, I mean, it’s not going. Yeah, sure. Maybe. Sure. That worst case, a very big possibility. I think at minimum, it’s going to just create so much opportunity for. um, businesses to, uh, to just be productive.
Speaker 0 | 15:06.693
How is it applying in your job? How about this? How about we just take, take it to your position? It’s like, okay, how are you leveraging it right now? Or are you leveraging it? Is there any tips or tricks or something for people out there listening to, Hey, well, here’s what we’re doing,
Speaker 1 | 15:18.120
even though it’s all step in your organization for added value. Yeah, for sure. So I work for a Seagate development group there. Uh, there are big, um, uh, a new construction commercial developer in Southwest Florida there. And this area of the country is huge right now, just in terms of people moving and work being done. We had a hurricane, you know, that reset the construction economy.
Speaker 0 | 15:44.490
And are you saying in a good way or a bad way?
Speaker 1 | 15:47.311
In a good way. In terms of the housing bubble that’s currently on paper, you know, where it’s going to go, who knows, but artificial, an artificial. restart is great because you know government buildings commercial buildings things people to operate even if their economy is is a little lower uh you still need a physical presence you know to operate from um not as much anymore remote but um for the most part you know florida’s a tourism economy and it artificially restarted um and made need for our my line of our industry my end of my company’s industry where it would have wouldn’t be in other places that weren’t affected by natural disasters you know so like i guess hawaii’s bad example is too soon but the you know a lot of businesses out there they’re going to need to be physically rebuilt um and if you’re in the business of building things you’re going to have a good time no matter no matter what the economy is like you know what i mean so um and we’re going through growth right now which is great um of course uh it’s it’s always good to grow but the challenges that come from that are, you know, scaling, wanting to scale and not, okay, sure, we’re doing great, but how do we get to the next level and continue growing in a healthy and sustainable way with IT? You know, I’m sure I could have hour-long conversations with people about what the, you know, what the most fundamentally important department in a company is. And of course I would say IT,
Speaker 0 | 17:17.200
but-Many people have said, I mean, it’s been said before, right? What, what, you- Nowadays, there’s not a single department. There’s not a single department. If someone finds it, maybe it’s like the off-the-grid company. I don’t know. But there’s not a single department that… No. If you are off-the-grid, it’s not possible. There’s not a single department that can do their job without IT.
Speaker 1 | 17:34.909
Correct. Even off-the-grid, what you’re making, honey, you’re making beeswax, artists and goods. How are you selling that? You’re going to need an internet connection to get it. If you want to scale, sure, you can sell it to your local town of…
Speaker 0 | 17:46.775
It touches everything.
Speaker 1 | 17:47.976
It touches everything. It does. It really does. And… The growth problem or quandary that a lot of businesses have is how do you scale that IT where it doesn’t just become a huge cost sink? Because I’ve seen that happen too. And overzealous business owners are like, yeah, I love IT. Let’s be the modern edge, cutting edge.
Speaker 0 | 18:09.814
Give me an example of where we’ve dumped too much money or made a mistake.
Speaker 1 | 18:13.395
Sure. So like a small business locally, I won’t mention any names. But you know investing in tech especially if your product is around tech and you’re selling say like a um like software as a service um that has a hardware component to it just because you’re you know sure you might have the greatest latest greatest product in the world hasn’t been discovered yet very promising and for all intents and purposes you know you’d go places but you know you have no operating capital because you put all this money into r d and um don’t have enough you know big enough customer base and now you’re kind of your your technology lopsided and in a place where it’s hindering your business from growing so it just is um but on the other on the other hand you know a lot of people listening are prop you know probably have that that headache that you know it’s always an uphill battle to just um try to get approval for like basic things like quality of life things keyboards whatnot so you know you have that other extreme where it’s just like People are still, they still see IT as a cost sink where it’s just you’re spending and for what?
Speaker 0 | 19:25.168
What areas are the best to spend in? And like you said, AI can obviously probably cut some corners, but I mean.
Speaker 1 | 19:32.231
Right now it’s security.
Speaker 0 | 19:33.572
Maybe a marketing. Oh, really? Go ahead. All the security guys are going to love hearing this. So please give them.
Speaker 1 | 19:39.134
I mean, yeah. Well, I know ransoms and just people are trying to shut down companies completely. to make a quick buck. And really, if you’re a mid-sized business, I would say they’re not so much… looking at the smaller businesses, but it’s security and that constant battle of even just like email spam. It’s social engineering. Sometimes the back doors that are exploited are just some of the silliest ones, clicking on emails. And now they have something new. I saw the other day was you have MFA relays where there’s someone intercepting that MFA. that may have access to the account where they just need that MFA code to get in. And so even with multi-factor, it’s still not a guarantee that you’re protected. And when you think of something as basic as multi-factor, it’s like you’re really never ever going to be safe.
Speaker 0 | 20:43.968
I think vendors can be a big weakness. Customer care centers, vendors, just calling on the telephone. I mean, I think some of the easiest hacks are probably just calling and pretending to be somebody.
Speaker 1 | 20:53.293
Yeah. I know.
Speaker 0 | 20:55.239
Getting them through a vendor, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 | 20:57.401
Yeah. And I mean, it just is, you know, there’s with these bigger MSPs and there’s always something that’s going to fall through the cracks. And really the best way to, I would say, to prevent that is education. You have to educate the end user. You have to kind of bring them up to speed. You know, to me, a phishing email is extremely easy to… identify, but to someone else who their main job is not computers and is just using a computer to accomplish their daily job is more susceptible. And it just, you know, a mistake that costs nothing can end up costing an organization millions and millions of dollars any which way, you know, from not being able to operate to physically paying a ransom. So an insurance, you know, the IT insurance market is going to be huge and emerging as. I don’t want to sound morbid, but as older adopters in terms of end users are dying or retiring or whatnot, you’re going to have a higher bar of technological proficiency that they can operate from. So it’s just always going to be a comp. If someone wants something bad enough, they’ll get it. You know, no matter how I feel like, you know, criminals are more ingenious than the people who apprehend apprehend them. Because, you know, how often do you hear in like.
Speaker 0 | 22:18.602
media and tv shows they’re all you know the criminal is always one step ahead and and really it’s true because uh they’re the innovators in a way so um but yeah but they have many many points of entry whereas it’s right for someone that’s just managing security in general to block all the entryways or even know where they are like the the thief so to speak right they just have to get in one way they just have to find one way whereas the person protecting the castle so to speak really has to block it’s like trying to here’s how it is it’s like trying to prevent a mouse from coming into your house in the winter time right now i mean well you’re down in florida so you probably don’t i’m up connecticut here right now you know what i mean yeah so in the winter time there just becomes this you know so my my seesaw’s the cats right they’re constantly roaming constantly roaming the property constantly around the house they’re catching all kinds of you know a little like i don’t know like they’re just mice and stuff and sure good for them that that’s they’re like the see-saw right or a group of security guys but if you don’t have two cats running around like then you’re walking around with like steel wool there’s like a little tiny hole you’re trying to block that it’s just it’s an impossibility almost to prevent rodents from gaining access to your house you and you can know where they all are, especially if you’ve got an older house, which is a great metaphor. If you have an older house,
Speaker 1 | 23:46.020
I like it.
Speaker 0 | 23:46.860
Like you just said, you know what I mean? Like it’s going to be harder, you know, a little rotting spot somewhere. They crawl through that, you know, it’s just how it is.
Speaker 1 | 23:54.643
And when the, when the cats don’t get them or they don’t have a crawl space and they just brute force it and shoot through the wood, you know,
Speaker 0 | 24:00.685
you know, if you got roaches, forget about it. You’re like,
Speaker 1 | 24:03.286
done you know i mean like if you’ve got that bad of a network and you’ve got that you’ve got roaches in your network you know they’re just going to reproduce it’s like it’s like malware yeah and and the only reason i go with security you know as most kind of the important thing and you know i i personally take a you know security is like my least favorite um discipline in it i would say just as because it’s so mundane not as bad as coding no that’s why i don’t understand why so many people are like it’s like this big influx like this like exodus to like join security i’m like i was like no don’t be a security go to be the data center guy the data center guy loves life well i want to say that the the the problem probably with with that ideal you know the the and i’ve seen that i mean people the big thing 10 years ago has become a coder there’s none of them and it pays really high well that’s why it pays really high now there’s a bunch of coders and you know i i i hats off to uh language writers because it’s it’s such a uh mundane thing you know the funnest thing for a coder miserable existence you’re like no go ahead the funnest thing is what the the most mundane thing i would say you know or the funnest thing they have is oh i get to debug something you know it’s a it’s a deviation from their current role of of just writing um Or, you know, this template’s now in ChatGPT, another, that’s what I’m saying, man, AI is going to be the new equalizer. It’s going to be, it’s going to change, you know, and a lot of people, so I’m really, really into human task replication. So how that directly relates to what I do, you know, I’m thinking end user tickets, desktop support, things like that. It’s always hanging fruit in terms of, you know. the vast majority of things that can be done in IT is going to be that end user support. And there’s papers out there already where they’re using machine learning for task replication, where they go over thousands and thousands of screen recordings of real people solving problems, like changing your device name on a Windows machine or opening Google Chrome or things like that. And it uses pixel recognition rather than… mouse movements or things like that, because, you know, you have different screen resolutions, you have different machines. So it’s not as reliable to train from, but with pixel recognition, they’re starting to decipher, you know, there’s a science behind everything. So even something as non-mathematical as clicking and opening a web browser, you know, behind the thought, there’s actual math going on that they can identify and machines can learn to replicate. So… there’s a uh open AI in Microsoft how they’ve invested so much money I don’t think we’ll ever get to the point where you can completely say hey uh I have this error code what’s the problem and it goes through all of the different troubleshooting steps I hope I hope one day we get to that level but the problem I see is that um is there’s two it’s too artistic you know maybe 40 years from now sure um but I think the first the first jobs to go out of the it space is going to be um coding maybe um and i want to say like i said the the the troubleshooting you know my iphone won’t turn on things like that that will be able to a machine will be able to walk through someone um how to do things um do you see any of that in your line of work i mean what you just said has me
Speaker 0 | 27:53.144
It just, I mean, I have so many thoughts. It actually flooded my brain. And I’m sure everyone else that’s going to listen to this show is going to automatically think like, yeah, what about this? What about that? Right. I was thinking just, yeah, again, mundane and user things like why is the screen share button not showing up on Zoom? Well, you’ve got to go here and change this security setting on your MacBook. Yeah. That was like one thought that popped into my mind. The other thought that popped into my mind. Yeah. was um yeah like terminator yeah taking over the world um that was a thought that popped into my mind this should be like a free association have you ever seen what about bob let’s do some free associations you know a dog a log okay so ai what comes to your mind terminator 2 let’s see stupid things that i won’t have to do anymore um you know it’s like well there’s like so many thoughts it will never get there unless you have a um well that’s what we said about when i was in college the human genome had been mapped out 0.05% or something like that. And I remember my biology teacher saying, it’s going to take hundreds of years to map out the human genome. And then like computer program, software update, uh, five years later, 10 years later, whatever it was, we have the entire human genome mapped out, you know? So that happened that I was, so I, what was it? That was 1995. Where were you in 1995?
Speaker 1 | 29:20.907
How old were you? One. so 1995 so like 1995 um we didn’t have the human genome mapped out well i i think that’s interesting you say i think moore’s law applies a lot it can apply in a lot of spaces other than just straight technology and computing and things like that you know in terms of scientific discovery and maybe it has to do with the association of scientists are using computers now of course so moore’s law is moore’s law is going to apply to what they do.
Speaker 0 | 29:53.445
Just official date of that. So that was 1995. It was completed in 2003.
Speaker 1 | 30:01.400
Well, completed. There’s always discovery. Even if you have 99.99999.
Speaker 0 | 30:06.623
But that’s only seven years. He was like, no way. It’s going to take like a century. I mean, like the fact that the speed of like the sign curve or whatever that was, you know,
Speaker 1 | 30:17.367
it’s the efficiency production from from. That’s what I was talking about.
Speaker 0 | 30:21.569
Are you saying we’re never going to be there? I mean, I just like maybe we will.
Speaker 1 | 30:25.290
We’ll be where we think quicker. But there’s always going to be, you know. you still can have an infinite amount of percent and 0.1%. You know what I mean? So like, how long is that percent? Like you said, 0.5, but yeah, there’s an infinite amount. How long is it going to take? You know, 0.05 is still, you know. I’m making up,
Speaker 0 | 30:45.530
I was making up numbers on that. I should probably check Google. I should probably check Google. Let’s see. Where was the human genome sequence via percentage in 1995?
Speaker 1 | 30:58.616
just Jamie Jamie where was the genome added in 1995 wrong podcast no I mean like it it it it it definitely um what I think is happening is the just the the rapid rate of discovery you know um my grandpa told me that they you know they have what they’re going to sell for the next 10 years 15 years already on the shelf and developed and it’s that slow drip to the to the market you know military might get stuff earlier but um they already they’re working on right now what they’re going to release and you know 15 20 years from now everything’s already shelved ready to go just you know what i mean there’s a lot of products that are not released because the hop and technology is would be more profitable and when you think about r d and silicon valley it’s really that’s what it is what’s going to make us the most money and if they can be profitable by skipping a couple iterations of what they sold, they’re going to do it. I was thinking iRobot when you mentioned, what about Bob? Movies, it will never really be a Terminator-esque until we actually have a competent vessel to put an AI in. At the end of the day, if you’re scared of AI, there’s nothing that can’t be solved by just unplugging it. No matter how advanced the AI is, even if it, I don’t know, say you work in a claw machine factory right and all you do is work in claw machines even if it found a way to to operate the claw machines and grab you and physically restrain you you can there’s always going to be someone there that just can unplug it but until you put something in um in a you know like boston dynamics what they do if you have a really good ai and you know human replication ai and you have a really uh ingenious robotic um
Speaker 0 | 32:52.372
a human physical human replication you put that together maybe then we’d be in trouble but we’re not there yet and i’m not seeing that that doomsday i mean we’re all gonna die yeah you know what i mean like i said like we’re all gonna die yes that that’s the truth what technology can you think of any technology so i don’t know i can’t remember the date electricity was invented what was it uh anyways camera i don’t know not not long ago you in the history of the world not long ago at all yeah probably the crate probably if i had to if i had to pick an invention that was the biggest invention ever it’s i mean it’s or electricity is a discovery though you can’t i guess you can’t really call that yeah you know um
Speaker 1 | 33:39.287
maybe the light bulb yeah i would say no i would say pre pre-light bulb um because that’s really like the harness wheel yeah the wheel well
Speaker 0 | 33:51.856
they fire discovery well the calculator i would say or the the processing of of ones and zeros to communicate information is pretty amazing 1876 by the way electricity so let me ask you this yeah what invention or what area of technology has ever not we have we ever gone backwards um have we not or have that we have is there an area of technology and invention in the modern world that we’ve gone backwards in um
Speaker 1 | 34:19.944
and this is a totally loaded question by the sure art yeah and i’m going to say arguably no because even regression in terms of i mean if you have a lost knowledge like greek fire right they can’t replicate greek fire then again another history i don’t know what that is what’s green fire it’s um it is a liquid that burns um almost instantaneously but where where water only make acts as a fueling agent so you put water you know like electrical fire or grease fire water doesn’t work it’s similar to that but a lot more dangerous um than it was it’s currently lost to uh to modern knowledge they don’t know how they made it um like roman concrete they just figured out how that was made which was really exciting for me as a history person but um yeah and i guess where i’m getting at with this is that even when you lose something, you know, you know how much scientific discovery was founded in.
Speaker 0 | 35:19.893
So here’s what I want to get to. And I really want to spark, you got to come back to the show and you got to tell me after doing all your research and everything. And I went down the black hole and I used to laugh at people and my jujitsu teacher used to laugh at people too. And you still laugh at Eddie Bravo big time. Why? And the only answer to me is that it’s a lie. due to political reasoning due to political power struggles and everything um why have we not gone back to the moon um it’s just don’t and i don’t answer some nasa i want you to think and open your mind don’t answer some nasa jokish answer in all seriousness okay every iphone has gotten better every spaceship should have gotten better everything should be better we the moon should have observatories we should it should be a with marketing and sales people out there it should be a like a multi-billion dollar business of taking people to the moon and hanging out on the couch and why i don’t believe it yeah i really honestly think it’s a load of crap and there’s a reason why we lied about it well
Speaker 1 | 36:26.938
i i don’t know if we if we went there when we did say we went there um obviously it was there was a political motive going on it was politically important to at least appear that we achieved that
Speaker 0 | 36:38.254
um to beat the soviets but i mean now we’ve been there i’m sure unofficially when someone walked there why are we not walking okay so i see what you’re saying like so so like why is it important though to get to the moon like it’s arguably not i mean the truth is important to me this has nothing to do with technology the truth is important to me in 1969 we had maybe the first version of arpanet i think came out 1969 as well Yeah. Right. So when you think about technology and you think about what we hold in our hands nowadays and the whole thing that sparked this was I saw a picture of President Nixon on a landline phone, a landline phone, supposedly talking with the Moon Rover via that little umbrella. And I’m like, do you? OK, so what? And I started looking and I’m like, so, OK, so AT&T switched the thing, AT&T’s thing. I think their motto used to be like reach out and touch someone. Yeah. Anyways. So they switched it to Houston, Houston. And I’m thinking latency, you know, and they’re saying, well, it’s not latency when you have like, you know, radio waves and, you know, all this different stuff. And I’m like, I don’t care. It’s 220,000 miles supposedly to science measured, like whatever, however, you know, 220,000 miles away there and back. Sure. That’s like how many times around the earth. And I’m like, that was just the first thing that I was like, yeah, you know, maybe these jokers, you know, maybe there’s something to it.
Speaker 1 | 38:02.956
Yeah. They developed the technology before they could figure out how to get to the moon.
Speaker 0 | 38:06.077
And it go down. But when you go down and you think of like, okay, so we did six trips supposedly. Yeah. And you have numerous, I mean, when you think about the number of flights that had to be done in order to even just do, to build a 757 and like in the test flights and humans and all, there’s something like there’s a couple hundred. things that have to go maybe 167 things that need to go literally perfect without any flaw right without there being complete disaster right so and then what they’re saying is like in the apollo all the testing up and when you read all the documents and i’ve really gone down the dark hole i’m not talking just like you know what you see on youtube and stuff like that i’m talking i read the the baron documents and the phillips like court cases and when like you know and all this All the complaints for the employees and the contractors that were involved and people drinking on the job and falling asleep on the job and rigging different sets. And why did they allow this? There’s just a whole slew of information. And then why did they delete all the videos and the files? They can’t rebuild the Lunar Lander. Right. It was all deleted. I don’t know. I just love talking about this because I’ve recently… It’s like the book that’s like, you know, kind of like there’s like just sits in the bathroom that, you know, you eventually work your way through it. You know, like now I’m on the third one. I’m on the third one. And like the rocket lift power and the millions of pounds that had to be launched. And then no one’s ever left lunar, you know, Earth’s orbit. And then, you know, the Van Allen belts and radiation. And there’s just like so much that has to go literally perfect.
Speaker 1 | 39:44.925
Right.
Speaker 0 | 39:45.636
to be able it’s like winning the lottery every time they nasa does something it’s pretty insane yeah so what i’m saying is like so our modern day iphone is like more than all of the entire houston like computer system back then right like they basically had the compute power of a the modern ti-81 calculator
Speaker 1 | 40:04.044
right with that logic we should be we should have at least colonized mars by now if we could we should have some crap on the move
Speaker 0 | 40:13.408
right and and and some people bring up some things we should at least have a bunch of mirrors on the moon that we can like look at and shine back there should be like a big a for america on the moon or there should be like something that we press a little button and it sends some you know blinky lights uh
Speaker 1 | 40:28.618
anyways um sorry no it’s just uh it’s it’s always going to be ongoing i mean even even if we’ve digressed in progress or at least came to a standstill on on on technological achievement just the amount of of brain power it takes to brute force a problem is is still discovery in my opinion i don’t think we’ve ever kind of regressed there’d have to be a you’d have to wipe out human existence well i’m not exactly so that’s my point yeah we don’t regress no
Speaker 0 | 40:59.524
so it has to be a lie yeah i mean yeah yeah the on purpose right a purposeful lie what’s the purpose Anyways, I should stop saying, I probably can’t even, I might have to cut this out all of a sudden. If I show up deaf.
Speaker 1 | 41:15.518
Russell, yeah, Russell some feathers that you shouldn’t have.
Speaker 0 | 41:19.241
Everybody listening, this is for fun. This is for entertainment purposes only. I’m not saying that we didn’t. I’m just saying, can you hurry up and get someone out there?
Speaker 1 | 41:30.230
Yeah, some pictures. They’re like,
Speaker 0 | 41:32.071
yeah, Phil, you signed up. You just signed up. We’re sending you tomorrow. Yeah.
Speaker 1 | 41:37.660
Well, I want to only see some pictures on an iPhone from the moon. We should at least be there. You know, we should.
Speaker 0 | 41:44.342
Oh, the little animated like India lander or whatever they look totally jokers. Like, I don’t know. Have you seen that video?
Speaker 1 | 41:52.186
Yeah, I saw. Yeah, I saw. It was all over.
Speaker 0 | 41:54.326
I mean, come on. Call of Duty is like would do way better than that. And I mean, you know, I think it’s because they know that like whatever. What do you call the green screen technology and all that stuff? Like, yeah. Yeah, CGI. I mean, come on. I think they have to make it look bad to say it’s true. Right. Because if they make it look too good,
Speaker 1 | 42:15.214
it’d be like, that’s…
Speaker 0 | 42:16.354
Someone would be like, oh, there’s like, I can tell, like a CGI expert would be like, you know.
Speaker 1 | 42:20.355
Well, NASA alters her photos in post.
Speaker 0 | 42:23.216
Every picture you’ve seen, every scene you’ve…
Speaker 1 | 42:26.157
Yeah, they… I can’t think… This is not orange. Mars is…
Speaker 0 | 42:31.038
Every picture you’ve seen taken of the… is photoshopped. Every picture of Earth is photoshopped. This is a given thing? It’s a Photoshop.
Speaker 1 | 42:37.421
Yeah. Well, Photoshop, or at least touched up in some kind of photo editing.
Speaker 0 | 42:42.445
The clouds are all the same. Every picture, the clouds are the same.
Speaker 1 | 42:46.127
Yeah. And there’s some pictures, you know, I don’t know if it’s misinformation of the earth, where you see patterns of the clouds, like it was copy pasted, like it was a transparent Adobe asset, you know, superposed onto the earth, you know, like the same cloud formation is in five different places. yeah i mean like you said it’s a rabbit hole but the the it’s political motive like if moon didn’t have gold on it you know which i guess it doesn’t because we would have heard about it we would have mined the heck out of it and for its resources you know there’s i mean sending people back and forth and moons probably be worth more well now there’s a lot of cost for the probably not i mean not now you know i mean it’s cheaper it’s probably 10 20 times cheaper to get someone to the moon now than it was in 79 you know well economy’s a scale
Speaker 0 | 43:35.632
I have taken away from this episode Greek fire. So I have learned something. This is great. It’s up on the screen right now. We can’t mimic Greek fire somehow, or we just didn’t know how they did it.
Speaker 1 | 43:47.957
Yeah. The closest thing is napalm, I think, that we found. Napalm is like a cousin of it, but it can be extinguished. Yeah. They’re having a hard time finding water as a fuel agent for fire.
Speaker 0 | 44:01.883
Well. Rich, this has been a pleasure. Any final words of wisdom?
Speaker 1 | 44:07.639
I’d say be on the lookout for anybody who’s looking for their next step to kind of future-proof their career path. Start looking into AI. AI is the new, the coding. Coding was a huge buzzword. It’s going to be AI. And I’d say there’s actually some genuine truth behind looking at a career path in AI.
Speaker 0 | 44:29.194
And also, and… Start up Jiu Jitsu. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. So, you know,
Speaker 1 | 44:35.547
thanks for having me. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 0 | 44:37.491
It’s been great. It’s been a lot of fun. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 1 | 44:39.775
Of course. Anytime.
